The Groupon, Angie's List and Yelp IPOs Proved One Thing: Local Is Really, Really Hard

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Damn, local is tough. 

That's the one thought I'm left with after reading through the S-1's of Groupon, Angie's List, and Yelp.

Let's dig into the numbers. Here's a look at the losses and revenues for each:

  • Groupon 
    • FY 2010: a loss of $456M on revenues of $713M. 
    • Q1 2011: a loss of $146M on $644M in revenue.  
  • Angie's List
    • FY 2010: a loss of $27.2M on revenues of $59.0M. 
    • First six months of 2011: a loss of $25.8M on $38.6M in revenue. 
  • Yelp
    • FY 2010: a loss of $9.51M on revenues of $47.7M. 
    • First nine months of 2011: a loss of $7.6M on $58.4M in revenue. 

 

And what's the main driver of these losses? 

  • Groupon
    • $208M spent on marketing in the first quarter of 2011 and another $178M on sales people and the rest.
  • Angie's List
    • $48M spent on marketing (of which $35 million was on TV ads) and $22M on sales.
  • Yelp
    • $38.5M, or nearly two-thirds of its revenue, spent on sales and marketing.

So a very large contributing factor to the losses for each of these companies comes down to marketing and sales. The marketing side of this is pure customer acquisition (read: advertising). And the sales side is simply feet on the street. Or warm bodies hitting the phones.

As Rocky Agrawal noted in his analysis of Yelp, there is very stiff competition in the small business advertising market so earning and keeping their business is difficult and expensive. 

Of course, there is a good reason why these companies are putting so many bodies behind the phones: the local advertising market is massive. So massive in fact that when I tried to find a number for the size of the local advertising market I came across a range from $14 Billion all the way up to $130 Billion. Companies realize that "to the winner go the spoils" so they're dedicating lots of resources to local in order to get out ahead of the competition. 

Indeed, local advertising is such a big market that my own company Pandora is aggresively going after it as well. Although it's a slightly different market in that we're going after local radio dollars specifically -- an area where I think we're well primed to gain market share in.

There are of course many strengths in all of the above businesses. The rate that each of them has grown revenues is no easy feat and should be applauded. I am personally a huge fan of Yelp the product. It's by far the most comprehensive source of reviews out there and the best place to go when I want to find a new restaurant. I am no longer a Groupon subscriber because the emails got to be too much but I've been impressed by their efforts with personalization. And I've bought deals through Groupon Now a couple of times too and been happy with the experience. Marc Andreessen nailed it when talking about Groupon recently in his predictions for 2012:

I've always felt that the criticism of Groupon has been unwarranted. People have really underappreciated what Groupon has done, which is they've created a way for small businesses that aren't online to spend money online and be able to dial up customers on demand. That's a really big deal. 

But investors have to look for the strengths AND the weaknesses of a company. One weakness (if big enough) is enough to cripple even the best company despite its many strengths.

The question, that we've asked before, is can these companies get their marketing and sales costs down even in the long term? I'm of the opinion that a more automated solution is the answer. I know it might be sacrilege for a salesperson to say so, but if a local advertiser wants to book $1,000 worth of ads, should they have to go through a sales rep in order to do so? At some point it is just not scalable.

More importantly, the question gets put back startups: is there a better way to do things in local?

Also: Two Opposing Views on Groupon

 

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Internet Radio Increases Ad Response Rates by 200%

Last week TargetSpot came out with some very interesting research studies on Internet Radio.

The TargetSpot research reveals that Internet Radio listeners are what they dubbed a "super demographic."

Here are some of the findings:

  • 39% of the US population listens to Internet Radio regularly
  • Internet Radio listeners are affluent and influential
  • 80% of Internet Radio listeners spend between 1 & 3 hours per day listening
  • 45% of Internet Radio listeners listen on a phone and 14% listen on a tablet
  • 73% change stations throughout the day. Internet Radio listeners are not exclusive to any one service
  • 56% listen to Internet Radio while shopping

Their research also lays out many reasons why marketers should be integrating Internet Radio into their marketing plans.

Here are some of the highlights:

  • Response Rate increases by 200% when advertisers add internet radio
  • Users who spend the minimal amount of time listening to Internet radio had higher ad response rates than heavy Internet-only users
  • 350% higher ad response rates when advertisers add Internet radio to broadcast radio campaigns
  • 52% of digital audio listeners recall hearing or seeing an Internet radio ad -- with 40% of that group responding to an ad

This research confirms two things most of us already knew:

  • The Internet Radio audience is very, very valuable 
  • As a marketing platform, Internet Radio works very, very well 

And this bodes very, very well for the clear leaders in the space

 

 

 

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On Pandora Filing to Go Public

Last Friday Pandora filed to go public. Or more technically, Pandora filed a Form S-1 with the SEC. There was a large amount of buzz around the news.

An S-1, according to Wikipedia:

"An S-1 contains the basic business and financial information on an issuer with respect to a specific securities offering. Investors may use the prospectus to consider the merits of an offering and make educated investment decisions. A prospectus is one of the main documents used by an investor to research a company prior to an initial public offering."

Essentially an S-1 gives investors all the information they need to evaluate an investment. This information includes:

  • A detailed description of the business
  • Risk factors
  • Use of proceeds
  • Capitalization
  • Complete financial statements
  • Executive team backgrounds and compensation
  • Board of directors
  • Current stockholders and investors
  • etc.

Since I have written about recent Internet IPOs and Pandora multiple times in the past, I have gotten many questions from friends, family and collegues on Pandora's IPO. However, Pandora's publicly available S-1 answers these questions about the company better than I ever could. 

So there, our S-1 is available online here -- it tells you everything you might want to know. 

Note: Below is the full text version of the filing but use the SEC's official version for the most up to date information.

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Pandora is the #2 App of All-Time

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TechCrunch reported this week that Apple has unveiled a page within the iTunes Store that shows the top app downloads of all time. In the list Pandora shows up as the #2 most downloaded free iPhone app of all-time.

This news got me thinking about the first time I saw the iPhone. Pandora was one of the first apps I played with. I remember thinking it was nothing short of magical. The integration was so powerful in its simplicity. It wasn't until that moment that I saw the true potential of iPhone. I remember thinking at the time: "if Pandora could do this so well, imagine what the rest of developers out there can do..."

In fact, it was Pandora's iPhone integration that led me to look for a job there a few months later. I knew it was going to be important. Exactly how big, I had no idea. The iPhone was truly a game-changer for Pandora. As Pandora's founder Tim Westergren said on Charlie Rose, the iPhone's importance to Pandora is impossible to overstate. It really changed users' perceptions of Pandora into an anytime, anywhere experience.

Pandora is also the #1 free iPad app of all-time. For those of you who have seen the iPad integration, it is no surprise why. It is equally impressive in its simplicity.

Here are the full lists of the top free iPhone and iPad apps:

All-Time Top Free iPhone Apps

  1. Facebook
  2. Pandora
  3. Google Mobile App
  4. Shazam
  5. Movies by Flixster
  6. The Weather Channel
  7. Google Earth
  8. Bump
  9. Skype
  10. Paper Toss

All-Time Top Free iPad Apps

  1. Pandora
  2. Google Mobile App
  3. Movies by Flixster
  4. Google Earth
  5. Yelp
  6. Fandango Movies
  7. Remote
  8. iBooks
  9. Bible
  10. Solitaire

 

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Study shows Youth listen to Pandora more than all other Internet music providers combined

One excellent presentation during the Radio Show was Edison Research‘s American Youth Study 2010, which is “a significant survey of the media and technology habits of America’s 12-24 year-olds.” Sponsored by publication Radio-Info, the study looks at the media use behaviors of 12-24 year olds.

Some of the findings, bulleted:

  • Radio continues to be the medium most often used for music discovery, with 51% of 12-24 year-olds reporting that they “frequently” find out about new music by listening to the radio. Other significant sources include friends (46%), YouTube (31%) and social networking sites (16%).
  • 20% of 12-24s have listened to Pandora in the last month, with 13% indicating usage in the past week. By comparison, 6% of 12-24s indicated they have listened to online streams from terrestrial AM/FM stations in the past week.
  • More than four in five 12-24s own a mobile phone in 2010 (up from only 29% in 2000). 40% have used their phones to listen to music stored on their phones.

 

Audio4cast gave a great summary of Edison Research's American Youth Study here. That second bullet point is what really stuck out to me: Pandora accounts for more listening among 12-24s than all other Internet streams combined. It really hits home with my other post that Pandora is the clear leader in top-of-mind awareness among Internet-only music providers.

Here's the full presentation from Edison Research:

 

 

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Pandora Founder Tim Westergren on Charlie Rose

Here's a clip from Tim Westergen's interview with Charlie Rose last week. The clip is about the iPhone and it's relevance to Pandora.

To the question,

"What has the iPhone and related devices done for Pandora?"

Tim responded:

"It's impossible to overstate. The iPhone has...almost doubled our growth rate overnight. More important, perhaps, it changed the way consumers perceived Pandora. Most people came to Pandora on a laptop, principally at work. When the iPhone came out, suddenly you could take Pandora with you. You could go to the gym and be on the treadmill. Or you could buy a $2 adapter and plug it into your car."

I couldn't find a way to embed the full video but go check it out in full here.

Or if you'd prefer, here is a synopsis from Businessweek.

You can follow Tim on Twitter here.

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Pandora’s Tom Conrad on Developing Mobile Apps

Pandora has had a charmed history with mobile platforms — the company’s music streaming app is one of the most popular on just about every type of phone out there. It just makes a lot of sense to have personalized radio in your pocket. But with a small developer team and a confusing emerging mobile platform world, it wasn’t as if Pandora always knew what to do or even why it was succeeding.

In a recent talk at Digg, Pandora CTO Tom Conrad traced the history of his company’s experience with mobile platforms, making a number of counterintuitive observations about what worked and what didn’t.

Great talk on developing for mobile platforms by Pandora's own Tom Conrad.

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Pandora is the clear leader in top-of-mind awareness among Internet-only music providers

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Arbitron and Edison Research recently issued a report titled The Infinite Dial 2010: Digital Platforms and the Future of Radio.

According to the report,

"This is the 18th study in a series dating back to 1998 (that) have explored digital platforms and their impact on radio and other media."

The report is based on a national survey Arbitron and Edison Research conducted by phone (landline and cell apparently) of 1,753 people aged 12 and older.

The entire report is interesting and worth a read. However, the chart above is the one that stuck out to me the most.

For people answering the question, Name all the companies you can think of that provide Internet-only audio, Pandora came in at a 28% unaided recall. The next closest was Yahoo! Music at 9%.

In other words, Pandora came in at an astonishing 4x brand recognition over the next closest Internet music provider on an unaided basis. Pretty amazing.

Check out the report in it's entirety here.

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Pandora: Coming To An iPad Near You

The iPad version takes advantage of the large 9.7 inch screen of the device. Rather than having to switch views to see things such as your stations, they can reside on the left hand side of the screen as your album artwork and artist information is on the right hand side. Artist information is a particular area of emphasis with this new app. The top player looks similar to iTunes now, with play and pause buttons, as well as thumbs up and thumbs down buttons. There is also an easy-to-access search box along the top.

On top of the new iPad app, Pandora CTO Tom Conrad tweeted earlier today that the service has just signed up its 50 millionth user (up from 40 million this past December). Good timing, they’re potentially about to get a whole lot more from this new device.

Find Pandora in the App Store here. It’s a free download.

That's right. Pandora is coming to an iPad near you.

Here's the official Pandora blog post on the release.

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Pandora in the Times today

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"After a decade of near-death experiences, the Internet music service is attracting attention from investment bankers who think it could go public."

Great piece on Pandora in the New York Times today.  Here is the full article.

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